Comments on: What I Cannot Understand About Secular Progressives http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/ a Primitive Baptist, conservative American perspective of life. Sat, 13 Mar 2010 02:42:25 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dani http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8131 Dani Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:40:05 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8131 I personally don't want the Bible read in class or an organized public prayer, because I don't want to hear about how we have to work to save someone. And it isn't illegal for a teacher to tell you their beliefs if you ask, and for students to carry a bible with them and talk about religion. It's just not to be a madatory part of public education. The school system is there to give you the tools to succeed in everyday life, the math and reading and such to make you able to function. Your parents are responsible for your moral and religious education. I respect this, because just as an atheist doesn't want his children growing up to be Christian, I don't want my children growing up to hear about Missionary Baptist beliefs, or Islam, or Budah, or any thing other than Primitive Baptist. By allowing practices like rote, public prayer in classrooms you are making Christianity the religion of the state, and one day Christians may not be the majority and I don't want to see precident set for other groups. I personally don’t want the Bible read in class or an organized public prayer, because I don’t want to hear about how we have to work to save someone. And it isn’t illegal for a teacher to tell you their beliefs if you ask, and for students to carry a bible with them and talk about religion. It’s just not to be a madatory part of public education. The school system is there to give you the tools to succeed in everyday life, the math and reading and such to make you able to function. Your parents are responsible for your moral and religious education.

I respect this, because just as an atheist doesn’t want his children growing up to be Christian, I don’t want my children growing up to hear about Missionary Baptist beliefs, or Islam, or Budah, or any thing other than Primitive Baptist. By allowing practices like rote, public prayer in classrooms you are making Christianity the religion of the state, and one day Christians may not be the majority and I don’t want to see precident set for other groups.

]]> By: Kathy Parker http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8123 Kathy Parker Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:22:14 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8123 Thank you Jeremy for your article. It brought to remembrance to me when I was in 2nd grade, I had a teacher (Mary Davis) who prayed with us every day and read the bible to us. Then, Madelyn Murray O’Hare came along and schools/teachers were not permitted to pray or read the bible to us anymore. Mary Davis continued to do it anyway in spite of the new "law", but retired at the end of that school year. Looking back now, many years later, I realize that she was most likely forced into her retirement. However, I have the fondest memories of that dear teacher who has since gone home to be with The Lord. I think Christians get pushed around too much by the atheists. Schools were a better place when The Lord was "allowed." Thank you Jeremy for your article. It brought to remembrance to me when I was in 2nd grade, I had a teacher (Mary Davis) who prayed with us every day and read the bible to us. Then, Madelyn Murray O’Hare came along and schools/teachers were not permitted to pray or read the bible to us anymore. Mary Davis continued to do it anyway in spite of the new “law”, but retired at the end of that school year. Looking back now, many years later, I realize that she was most likely forced into her retirement. However, I have the fondest memories of that dear teacher who has since gone home to be with The Lord. I think Christians get pushed around too much by the atheists. Schools were a better place when The Lord was “allowed.”

]]> By: Chris Crouse http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8122 Chris Crouse Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:09:37 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8122 Brother Jeremy, The reason that atheists are enraged with belief and trust in God, prayer and other religious activities is because it goes against their own religion. Try as they might to declare that they are not practicing any religion, their actions disclose their true thoughts. As you pointed out, an atheist has nothing to fear if their child prays, so what? So what if they hear the pledge recited, since there is no God, it doesn't matter. But their secular progressivism is their god, their own intellect is their god, their denial in God is their god. We that believe in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ are an offense to their god, so they rage and imagine vain things. As you well know, man in his inner being desires to worship something. Those who are born again worship the God that begat them. Those who have heard the gospel worship the Lord that bought them. Those who are ignorant of God worship nearly anything, even their faith that there is no God. My two cents worth... Brother Jeremy,

The reason that atheists are enraged with belief and trust in God, prayer and other religious activities is because it goes against their own religion. Try as they might to declare that they are not practicing any religion, their actions disclose their true thoughts.

As you pointed out, an atheist has nothing to fear if their child prays, so what? So what if they hear the pledge recited, since there is no God, it doesn’t matter. But their secular progressivism is their god, their own intellect is their god, their denial in God is their god. We that believe in God, and the Lord Jesus Christ are an offense to their god, so they rage and imagine vain things.

As you well know, man in his inner being desires to worship something. Those who are born again worship the God that begat them. Those who have heard the gospel worship the Lord that bought them. Those who are ignorant of God worship nearly anything, even their faith that there is no God.

My two cents worth…

]]> By: Jeremy Sarber http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8121 Jeremy Sarber Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:28:00 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8121 I know what you're saying but I still cannot understand it. I, as a Christian, have no interest in imposing my beliefs on anyone. I am, however, against the secular progressives taking away the rights of Christians to practice their beliefs. I don't mind if teachers are not permitted to lead a public prayer in the classroom, but what harm is done by a moment of silence allowing students to pray if they want. When Christians battle issues in the public arena, secular progressives sound crazy (to me). They hear those fairy tale words like "God" and immediately lose sight of the issue at hand. Take some the Ten Commandments, for instance: <ul> <li>Remember the sabbath day...</li> <li>Honour thy father and thy mother...</li> <li>Thou shalt not kill.</li> <li>Thou shalt not commit adultery.</li> <li>Thou shalt not steal.</li> <li>Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. </li> <li>Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.</li></ul> Is it wrong, in the minds of secular progressives, to say taking a day off each week is wrong? How about respecting parents? Is it okay to kill, steal, lie, or lust after what belongs to someone else? God forbid we encourage these principles. I know what you’re saying but I still cannot understand it. I, as a Christian, have no interest in imposing my beliefs on anyone. I am, however, against the secular progressives taking away the rights of Christians to practice their beliefs. I don’t mind if teachers are not permitted to lead a public prayer in the classroom, but what harm is done by a moment of silence allowing students to pray if they want.

When Christians battle issues in the public arena, secular progressives sound crazy (to me). They hear those fairy tale words like “God” and immediately lose sight of the issue at hand. Take some the Ten Commandments, for instance:

  • Remember the sabbath day…
  • Honour thy father and thy mother…
  • Thou shalt not kill.
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery.
  • Thou shalt not steal.
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
  • Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

Is it wrong, in the minds of secular progressives, to say taking a day off each week is wrong? How about respecting parents? Is it okay to kill, steal, lie, or lust after what belongs to someone else? God forbid we encourage these principles.

]]> By: Eric w/Cheese http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8120 Eric w/Cheese Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:02:11 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8120 The reason that athiests are so verbal about Christianity is because to them, its a big fairy tale. But what is grating to them is how so many people take it as the truth and try to impose their beliefs onto them. Look at how many conservatives will argue about anything and stand up for what they believe in because its "in the Bible". Well, an athiest hearing that, you may as well have said you heard it from Princess Lollipop, because it would carry the same weight with them. They fight hard against it because they don't believe in it, and therefore, don't want their children or whomever is close to them to be "brainwahsed". Its just as how Christians will fight to do what's right for their kids. Its all in what you believe. The reason that athiests are so verbal about Christianity is because to them, its a big fairy tale. But what is grating to them is how so many people take it as the truth and try to impose their beliefs onto them. Look at how many conservatives will argue about anything and stand up for what they believe in because its “in the Bible”. Well, an athiest hearing that, you may as well have said you heard it from Princess Lollipop, because it would carry the same weight with them. They fight hard against it because they don’t believe in it, and therefore, don’t want their children or whomever is close to them to be “brainwahsed”.

Its just as how Christians will fight to do what’s right for their kids. Its all in what you believe.

]]> By: dizzy50dianne http://jeremysarber.com/2008/12/03/what-i-cannot-understand-about-secular-progressives/comment-page-1/#comment-8119 dizzy50dianne Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:21:24 +0000 http://jeremysarber.com/?p=2171#comment-8119 Little Brother, We choose most of our battles...some are already decided. My belief is ONE conflict I won't engage in. I don't pound my beliefs into the heads of others. I don't understand, either, why these "non-believers" are so offended. What have they got to lose? Nothing. But, they seem to have a louder voice than you and I. The old squeaky wheel theory. Little Brother,

We choose most of our battles…some are already decided. My belief is ONE conflict I won’t engage in. I don’t pound my beliefs into the heads of others. I don’t understand, either, why these “non-believers” are so offended. What have they got to lose? Nothing. But, they seem to have a louder voice than you and I. The old squeaky wheel theory.

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