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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I am an educated 62 year old woman. The term &quot;I feel&quot; is quite often used instead of &quot;I believe&quot; or &quot;I think such and such&quot;, especially when one doesn&#039;t want to get into a big argument.
I work alot with the elderly and I can tell you that these people (and myself)
are checking out the claims of both sides. With the computer age, goverment sights availablity, easy access to Newspaper and magazine sights, we are more informed than we ever have been. Maybe us older people have more time to spend on these things than you young people do but us old &quot;farts&quot; are voting from an informed viewpoint. We also feel we are right on who we are voting for, even if our intellect has taken us in a different direction than you. Our years have taught us a thing or two.
By the way, have you read Barack&#039;s two books? If not please find the time.  I think you will enjoy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I am an educated 62 year old woman. The term &#8220;I feel&#8221; is quite often used instead of &#8220;I believe&#8221; or &#8220;I think such and such&#8221;, especially when one doesn&#8217;t want to get into a big argument.<br />
I work alot with the elderly and I can tell you that these people (and myself)<br />
are checking out the claims of both sides. With the computer age, goverment sights availablity, easy access to Newspaper and magazine sights, we are more informed than we ever have been. Maybe us older people have more time to spend on these things than you young people do but us old &#8220;farts&#8221; are voting from an informed viewpoint. We also feel we are right on who we are voting for, even if our intellect has taken us in a different direction than you. Our years have taught us a thing or two.<br />
By the way, have you read Barack&#8217;s two books? If not please find the time.  I think you will enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, your comments were obviously given considerable thought and as someone else noted you appear to have a formidable intellect.  However, it does not appear to me that you have done much to research your position.  I&#039;ll address several of your points below.  However, first let me respond to your main point: that those who support Barak Obama are voting emotionally.  First, I think that the Republican party is leading th is great nation down a dark path.  The last eight years have seen a slow errosion of our civil liberties in the name of increased security.  This is a slippery path.  It was exactly these sorts of argument that the Nazis used to accumulate greater and greater power in Hitler&#039;s hands.  I am NOT, repeat NOT comparing the Republican party to those thugs.  I am saying that the willingness to exchange freedom for security can lead to frightening places.  About a year ago I read a post from a conservative about the President&#039;s wiretapping program (which, BTW, didn&#039;t really bother me, though I thought it redundant given FISA).  He said, and I quote, &quot;They [the government] can listen to all my calls if they want, as long as they keep me safe.&quot;  That is a frightening attitude.  As Benjamin Franklin said, those who exchange freedom for security will soon have neither.

Second, I don&#039;t think Reaganomics works.  Trickle-down doesn&#039;t work.  Since the Reagan-era, America&#039;s rich have gotten richers, controlling an ever greater portion of the nation&#039;s wealth, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle-class has shrunk.  These are not good things for a democracy.  A democracy, IMHO, requires a strong and vibrant middle-class.  I&#039;m not sure we have that now.

Third, John McCain of 2008 is not the John McCain of 1999.  He has moved far to the right on many issues (and I&#039;m not the only one who thinks so, including many former supporters, including Republicans I know).  If he was willing to do that to secure the election, what else might he do?  I don&#039;t want to find out.

Fourth, just from listening to her comments and researching her history, I do not feel Palin is qualified to be president and, since she might, it is another reason not to vote for McCain.

Now to address some of your points:
&quot;Some of the greatest leaders the United States has ever known were terrible, completely uninspiring speakers. Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln are just two that would fall into that category. What about experience? What about leadership ability? What about fundamental, American principle?&quot;

Abraham Lincoln&#039;s sum total national political experience was a single term in the House.  What about his experience?

Leadership?  Barak Obama has demonstrated considerable leadership, even if you don&#039;t like where he leads people.

&quot;Barack Obama and fellow liberals are successfully converting human emotion into political gain.&quot;

All politicians do this.  It&#039;s part of the job.  The Republicans did this by converting the fear of 9-11 into political gains at the poles and in the Chambers of Congress, just to name one example.

I&#039;m sorry, but your arguments simply don&#039;t hold water.  And I&#039;m not even a Democrat but an Independent who&#039;s voted Republican in the past and just can&#039;t do so again.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, your comments were obviously given considerable thought and as someone else noted you appear to have a formidable intellect.  However, it does not appear to me that you have done much to research your position.  I&#8217;ll address several of your points below.  However, first let me respond to your main point: that those who support Barak Obama are voting emotionally.  First, I think that the Republican party is leading th is great nation down a dark path.  The last eight years have seen a slow errosion of our civil liberties in the name of increased security.  This is a slippery path.  It was exactly these sorts of argument that the Nazis used to accumulate greater and greater power in Hitler&#8217;s hands.  I am NOT, repeat NOT comparing the Republican party to those thugs.  I am saying that the willingness to exchange freedom for security can lead to frightening places.  About a year ago I read a post from a conservative about the President&#8217;s wiretapping program (which, BTW, didn&#8217;t really bother me, though I thought it redundant given FISA).  He said, and I quote, &#8220;They [the government] can listen to all my calls if they want, as long as they keep me safe.&#8221;  That is a frightening attitude.  As Benjamin Franklin said, those who exchange freedom for security will soon have neither.</p>
<p>Second, I don&#8217;t think Reaganomics works.  Trickle-down doesn&#8217;t work.  Since the Reagan-era, America&#8217;s rich have gotten richers, controlling an ever greater portion of the nation&#8217;s wealth, the poor have gotten poorer, and the middle-class has shrunk.  These are not good things for a democracy.  A democracy, IMHO, requires a strong and vibrant middle-class.  I&#8217;m not sure we have that now.</p>
<p>Third, John McCain of 2008 is not the John McCain of 1999.  He has moved far to the right on many issues (and I&#8217;m not the only one who thinks so, including many former supporters, including Republicans I know).  If he was willing to do that to secure the election, what else might he do?  I don&#8217;t want to find out.</p>
<p>Fourth, just from listening to her comments and researching her history, I do not feel Palin is qualified to be president and, since she might, it is another reason not to vote for McCain.</p>
<p>Now to address some of your points:<br />
&#8220;Some of the greatest leaders the United States has ever known were terrible, completely uninspiring speakers. Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln are just two that would fall into that category. What about experience? What about leadership ability? What about fundamental, American principle?&#8221;</p>
<p>Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s sum total national political experience was a single term in the House.  What about his experience?</p>
<p>Leadership?  Barak Obama has demonstrated considerable leadership, even if you don&#8217;t like where he leads people.</p>
<p>&#8220;Barack Obama and fellow liberals are successfully converting human emotion into political gain.&#8221;</p>
<p>All politicians do this.  It&#8217;s part of the job.  The Republicans did this by converting the fear of 9-11 into political gains at the poles and in the Chambers of Congress, just to name one example.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but your arguments simply don&#8217;t hold water.  And I&#8217;m not even a Democrat but an Independent who&#8217;s voted Republican in the past and just can&#8217;t do so again.</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: corsaconvertible</title>
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		<dc:creator>corsaconvertible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t count the times I&#039;ve heard I FEEL abortion is wrong. This is the sole reason many I&#039;ve talked to are voting for McCain/Palin</description>
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		<title>By: Ed Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy:

It’s really hard to take your comments seriously.  First, you are obviously a very intelligent individual. Why do you dishonor your rational thinking abilities by writing with such authority and conviction about subjects that appear to be beyond your scope of human experiences and understanding?  I can’t believe it is just terminal arrogance. I figure you have an agenda that has nothing to do with publishing the truth or even a balance perspective of complex social issues.  It is filled with the same old tired manipulation and propaganda techniques I have seen a thousand times before.  State what a person is thinking as if you are a mind reader, defined his philosophy and give a harsh, one-sided critique of what he stands for, and condemn him for it. 

But if you really believe what you wrote here, here is some food for thought.  

I am a Democrat, and I met Senator Obama at a workshop he was hosting for my church as a member and perhaps part of his community activist responsibilities.  At that time, he was just a State Senator. I found him extremely sincere, spiritual, thoughtful, highly intelligent and motivated in a inspirational way to improve the lives of ordinary people: all the things you would like to see in a public servant.  If you really want a good synopsis of why I am voting for Senator Obama, read or listen to Retired General Colin Powell’s comments on the reason he crossed party lines and endorsed Senator Obama on U-tube.

During the long primary and general election, millions of people, including Colin Powell got to know Senator Obama well while he operated under intense scrutiny and in the highly charged atmosphere of national politics.  I found myself in general agreement with his ideology he expressed in debates and while campaigning, and concurred with his approach to addressing our national problems.  And yes I did start to admire his gifts and abilities that have been on display throughout this election. I also found myself in frequent disagreement with Senator McCain position on critical issues.  If you provide me with your email or phone number, I would love the opportunity to discuss some of Senator Obama’s  ideology and position on the issues and debate you on them.

When I read your comments I think about the era of  McCarthism where intolerant individuals went after people who disagreed with them.  Why do you have to demonize Senator Obama’s supporters?  Take a step back and read your article again.  You are the one who appears to have your emotions raging out of control.  It’s us ”Democrats” against the “Republicans”, and we are hypocrites, and immoral, etc, etc,.  Your comments don’t do you justice.   This article represents a practice that is un-American to say the least and my advice to you and others is don’t give in to your emotions and start bashing your opponent because you disagree with his or her’s philosophy or more appropriately don’t seem to really understand your position on the issues.  Stop labeling people as Democrats or Republicans and making unproven and ridiculous characterizations. That is called PREJUDICE.   A balance, intelligent person knows there is evil in both parties.  Don’t let you passion for one candidate over another cause you to compromise your basic sense of fairness and decency in how you treat other human beings. Seek to understand before judging.   Since you quoted the Bible, I’ll tell you something to think about.  Let’s hope the harshness in which you judge Senator Obama and his followers is not the way YOU will be judge by the God who loves all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy:</p>
<p>It’s really hard to take your comments seriously.  First, you are obviously a very intelligent individual. Why do you dishonor your rational thinking abilities by writing with such authority and conviction about subjects that appear to be beyond your scope of human experiences and understanding?  I can’t believe it is just terminal arrogance. I figure you have an agenda that has nothing to do with publishing the truth or even a balance perspective of complex social issues.  It is filled with the same old tired manipulation and propaganda techniques I have seen a thousand times before.  State what a person is thinking as if you are a mind reader, defined his philosophy and give a harsh, one-sided critique of what he stands for, and condemn him for it. </p>
<p>But if you really believe what you wrote here, here is some food for thought.  </p>
<p>I am a Democrat, and I met Senator Obama at a workshop he was hosting for my church as a member and perhaps part of his community activist responsibilities.  At that time, he was just a State Senator. I found him extremely sincere, spiritual, thoughtful, highly intelligent and motivated in a inspirational way to improve the lives of ordinary people: all the things you would like to see in a public servant.  If you really want a good synopsis of why I am voting for Senator Obama, read or listen to Retired General Colin Powell’s comments on the reason he crossed party lines and endorsed Senator Obama on U-tube.</p>
<p>During the long primary and general election, millions of people, including Colin Powell got to know Senator Obama well while he operated under intense scrutiny and in the highly charged atmosphere of national politics.  I found myself in general agreement with his ideology he expressed in debates and while campaigning, and concurred with his approach to addressing our national problems.  And yes I did start to admire his gifts and abilities that have been on display throughout this election. I also found myself in frequent disagreement with Senator McCain position on critical issues.  If you provide me with your email or phone number, I would love the opportunity to discuss some of Senator Obama’s  ideology and position on the issues and debate you on them.</p>
<p>When I read your comments I think about the era of  McCarthism where intolerant individuals went after people who disagreed with them.  Why do you have to demonize Senator Obama’s supporters?  Take a step back and read your article again.  You are the one who appears to have your emotions raging out of control.  It’s us ”Democrats” against the “Republicans”, and we are hypocrites, and immoral, etc, etc,.  Your comments don’t do you justice.   This article represents a practice that is un-American to say the least and my advice to you and others is don’t give in to your emotions and start bashing your opponent because you disagree with his or her’s philosophy or more appropriately don’t seem to really understand your position on the issues.  Stop labeling people as Democrats or Republicans and making unproven and ridiculous characterizations. That is called PREJUDICE.   A balance, intelligent person knows there is evil in both parties.  Don’t let you passion for one candidate over another cause you to compromise your basic sense of fairness and decency in how you treat other human beings. Seek to understand before judging.   Since you quoted the Bible, I’ll tell you something to think about.  Let’s hope the harshness in which you judge Senator Obama and his followers is not the way YOU will be judge by the God who loves all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: edith_mccrotchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>edith_mccrotchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a middle age (53) white woman I am going to clue you in to why people are voting for Obama. He is not George Bush. He is not Dick Cheny. He is not Bill or Hillary Clinton. He is the candidate that is farthest from the bullshit we have suffered from for the last eight years and is still viable. If you want someone to blame for Obama&#039;s popularity blame Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a middle age (53) white woman I am going to clue you in to why people are voting for Obama. He is not George Bush. He is not Dick Cheny. He is not Bill or Hillary Clinton. He is the candidate that is farthest from the bullshit we have suffered from for the last eight years and is still viable. If you want someone to blame for Obama&#8217;s popularity blame Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone ever opened an envelope saying they were the next million dollar winner, all they had to do was call a number and buy a magazine subscription?  Change is easily promised. Besides everyone needs not forget that jimmy carter started the mess with housing and Bill Clinton made our country look weak in the eyes of the world.  Bush got stuck on cleanup and though he is not perfect did a pretty good job. atleast he or McCain aren&#039;t quoted in biography as consorting with terrorists for any reason.  Also if a man cannot give an opinion on when a fetus is alive, while having children of his own, because he doesn&#039;t get paid enough, what makes you think he will give opinion about someone who differs in opinion on anything else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone ever opened an envelope saying they were the next million dollar winner, all they had to do was call a number and buy a magazine subscription?  Change is easily promised. Besides everyone needs not forget that jimmy carter started the mess with housing and Bill Clinton made our country look weak in the eyes of the world.  Bush got stuck on cleanup and though he is not perfect did a pretty good job. atleast he or McCain aren&#8217;t quoted in biography as consorting with terrorists for any reason.  Also if a man cannot give an opinion on when a fetus is alive, while having children of his own, because he doesn&#8217;t get paid enough, what makes you think he will give opinion about someone who differs in opinion on anything else?</p>
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		<title>By: jec143</title>
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		<dc:creator>jec143</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both sides have those people who vote their emotions. Look at those who call all democrats baby killers, and abortionists. Yet there were less abortions under Clinton than in the last 8 years of Bush. Stop distributing birth control to the poor teenagers and they will get pregnant. Ask Palin?
Some will decide an abortion is better for their life than a child. And are you going to adopt a child of &quot;color&quot;? No one does. So Many will vote because of this &quot;emotional&quot; issue with little thought. The best reason to vote for Obama was expressed in the conservative Atlantic Monthly. Under 10 reasons a conservative should vote for Obama. Read it for those of us Conservatives, who really looked at all sides of the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both sides have those people who vote their emotions. Look at those who call all democrats baby killers, and abortionists. Yet there were less abortions under Clinton than in the last 8 years of Bush. Stop distributing birth control to the poor teenagers and they will get pregnant. Ask Palin?<br />
Some will decide an abortion is better for their life than a child. And are you going to adopt a child of &#8220;color&#8221;? No one does. So Many will vote because of this &#8220;emotional&#8221; issue with little thought. The best reason to vote for Obama was expressed in the conservative Atlantic Monthly. Under 10 reasons a conservative should vote for Obama. Read it for those of us Conservatives, who really looked at all sides of the issues.</p>
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		<title>By: DMAUK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMAUK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife who teaches kindergarten even has students discussing that they like Obama because he stands for change.  Uh, perhaps that is the problem with the whole country.  The intelligence of those voting are no higher than her kindergarteners who are swept away by anything that is anti-Bush.  But in the end, the destruction to this country will be far worse than anything the liberals accused Bush of.  God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife who teaches kindergarten even has students discussing that they like Obama because he stands for change.  Uh, perhaps that is the problem with the whole country.  The intelligence of those voting are no higher than her kindergarteners who are swept away by anything that is anti-Bush.  But in the end, the destruction to this country will be far worse than anything the liberals accused Bush of.  God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to point out that we did find hundreds of pounds of uranium (used to make nuclear weapons) in Iraq and moved the last bit to Canada this past July. We also just killed the 2nd in command of Al Qaeda last month. Guess where he was found, that&#039;s right Iraq. So if your argument is I support Obama b/c he voted against going to war in Iraq then I suggest you rethink that and come up with a better reason. We went to war with Iraq b/c we said they harbored terrorists and had weapons of mass destruction. BOTH of those reasons were true. Now Iran is actually rooting for Obama and you think we should elect him? 
I am voting for McCain because he has a fair tax plan, is against abortion (especially partial abortion), and believes in reform rather than throwing billions more dollars at plans that don&#039;t work. 
I am voting for McCain because I know Obama is a danger to our country. He looks weak to our enemies and they eagerly look forward to him being in charge of this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to point out that we did find hundreds of pounds of uranium (used to make nuclear weapons) in Iraq and moved the last bit to Canada this past July. We also just killed the 2nd in command of Al Qaeda last month. Guess where he was found, that&#8217;s right Iraq. So if your argument is I support Obama b/c he voted against going to war in Iraq then I suggest you rethink that and come up with a better reason. We went to war with Iraq b/c we said they harbored terrorists and had weapons of mass destruction. BOTH of those reasons were true. Now Iran is actually rooting for Obama and you think we should elect him?<br />
I am voting for McCain because he has a fair tax plan, is against abortion (especially partial abortion), and believes in reform rather than throwing billions more dollars at plans that don&#8217;t work.<br />
I am voting for McCain because I know Obama is a danger to our country. He looks weak to our enemies and they eagerly look forward to him being in charge of this country.</p>
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		<title>By: bob in fl</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,
    I find it funny that all of you righteous bloggers speak about others being ignorant, and you can&#039;t even spell. Keep your right wing views to yourself until you can learn how to spell. It&#039;s UTOPIAN you moron......I guess a EUTOPIAN society is a perfect society in Europe somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,<br />
    I find it funny that all of you righteous bloggers speak about others being ignorant, and you can&#8217;t even spell. Keep your right wing views to yourself until you can learn how to spell. It&#8217;s UTOPIAN you moron&#8230;&#8230;I guess a EUTOPIAN society is a perfect society in Europe somewhere?</p>
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